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An illusion called FREEDOM

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FREEDOM ~ exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

To an atheist the non-existence of god is obvious and its always hard to explain a thing that is just too obvious, same way in certain context FREEDOM is just an illusion. The exact word to be used here should be free-will rather than freedom. Do we have a free will? I think we dont. All the decision that we take are influnced by the circumstances that prevail at a particular moment, we are just slaves of circumstances. Whenever a decison making process is involved the mind calculates all the available options and we choose which ever is best for us. Certainly we made a choice on our own by our calculation but what led to choice of a particular option.. who provided you with the options to choose from, you cant have your own option, its the circumstances that provide you the option. And the choices that you make are dependent on the past, your experinces, your education, your current state of mind, your perception of the future, you nature, your character, your nurture, culture and your DNA..

Whatever we are half of that comes from the DNA and the other half comes from how we are nurtured, the influences and experiences that we had. And we neither choose the DNA nor the way we are broughtup.

Freedom is freedom of choice, freedom to take decision, freedom to do what we want, i will just let you know about some of the biggest decisions that we go thru in a normal life which we didnt choose.

Did we choose to be born? NO
Did we choose our parents, siblings? NO
Did we choose the economic conditions where we wud be born or the country? NO
Did we choose the school? NO
Did we choose our talent? NO
Did we choose how intelligent we want to be? NO
Did we choose our religion? NO

These things becomes the basis of every decision that we take in future life, since we did not decide these basic things we can say all over choices have been influenced by others.

Whole life we just keep on choosing between alternatives. We think we choose but actually we chose what we had to and we wouldnt have chosen anything else.

Today most of us wont choose to become a terrorist why? the only reason is that you havent been given the option to be. But a guy in pakistan, influenced by all the false teaching of the religion, brain-washed has an option. The guy chooses to become a terrorist because of the external influence so the decision that he takes doesnt account for real freedom of choice. He didnt choose to be a terrorist but it was the only viable option to him at that moment.

i wud just play a sequence of events

A guy is born(no choice), he is sent to a school(no choice), he goes to college (no choice, depends on his marks, natural ability (DNA)), is offered a job (no choice, he is given the job that is capable of), marries (no, choice, he gets a girl as per his skills, he cant marry aishwarya) haves children (no choice if he wants male or female and no guarantee that his children will not have any deformity) after some time he dies (again no choice),

Man is a slave of circumstances that he is born into, since birth all he does is flows like a river whose path is chartered between the matrix of other peoples life. A Man is not free.

i remember a nice line i read some where freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose… Untill you loose your last breath you are not free..


I Have tried my best to explain the things, but you cant talk a believer into non beliver, unless his mind is receiptive to it. We are comfortable with beliveing what we have always belived. I think a sudden change of belief is what enlightment is, which is hard to achieve..

P.S. In order to keep the posting short i have limited myself, else i had many more things to say..


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Written by maya

July 2, 2009 at 10:40 am

Posted in uncommon

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  1. i dont agree with u on many points -1) not everyone wants to be a terrorist.. in fact very few do. Give a gun to a man he will pee before he shoots another human being. i come from an army background and i say this with lots of conviction2) there are many examples to prove that we can overcome the handicap of our birth conditions and social status to achieve what we want to .. i was raised to be an engineer, i did become a techie but that did not stop be from writing. end of the day, its up to a person to take charge of his/her destiny or just give up and whine..a school does not define a person's intellect. a job does not limit his experience.. and you DONT have to marry someone you dont want to… unless you dont have the courage to stand up to ur parents and society.being an atheist, i didnt expect u to justify fate and destiny. 'god' knows i dont.PS: why the hell would someone want to marry a plastic doll like Aish????

    Chhaya

    July 2, 2009 at 11:53 am

  2. @chhaya"Not everyone wants to be a terrorist" i never said everyone wants to be a terrorist, i said a terrorist becomes out of circumstances and we dont have control over circumstances.You can always find odd examples, everyone cant be hellen keller its a one of a kind case, but when we talk in general terms out of 100 person who never went to school may be 2 will make it gooddestiny is not in any one's control, tomoro you cant control an accident one might end up as a handicapped, its not something one chooses..or controls..one can marry only within the available choices, aishwarya was just an example for "unachievable". i know its hard for people to come to terms with the fact that they are not the one who is controlling their life…

    Uncommon Sense

    July 2, 2009 at 12:40 pm

  3. yaar.. uncommon sense.. i m not agree in …1. Man is a slave of circumstances that he is born into2. Man is a slave of circumstances that he is born intobut i m agree in …"The choices that you make are dependent on the past, your experinces, your education, your current state of mind, your perception of the future, you nature, your character, your nurture, culture and your DNA.."aur waise bhi sub ku6 hume hi choose karna hota to… sab ambaani aur gates ya tatas ban jaate.. yaar DESERT ROSE koi nahi banna chahta …morover, dis subjects has no end. its like two sides of coin negative x positive.. so.. YAAR PURA KA PURA BLOGSPOT KAM PAD JAAYEGA AUR EK DUSRE KO CHALLENGE KARTE KARTE PURI ZINDGI NIKAL JAAYEGI IS SUBJECT PER LIKHTE LIKHTE PADHTE PADHTE :pBUT…. NICE SUBJECT YOU HAVE CHOOSE.. I LIKED..dumdaar post..

    CrAzYy..! ;)

    July 2, 2009 at 12:46 pm

  4. @Maya – "everything" is also a relative term. it all depends on what your compare it to? i dont have a 1 lakh rupee pm paycheck but i am happy.. i love the saying – "never wish for everything, where would you put it"?its better to try to acheive what we can than to mop up on what we cant. obviously we cant do it all..i for sure cant run a marathon, but i can always enjoy 10 minutes on a treadmil. and once agin.. why so serious dear? Lets put a smile on that face 😀 😛

    Chhaya

    July 2, 2009 at 12:54 pm

  5. @Crazy – i would love to be a desert rose 😛

    Chhaya

    July 2, 2009 at 12:54 pm

  6. ohh adminji…. it means you would like to be ::> CrAzYy <:: 😛

    CrAzYy..! ;)

    July 2, 2009 at 1:07 pm

  7. And yeah…For me, Freedom means being able to try.. Being able to try to marry Hugh Jackman, being able to try.. to be a Sniper, a published writer… or being able to try to walk on the water.. Its another Q whether i succeed or if i fail.when my right to "try" is taken from then yes, i lose my freedom.

    Chhaya

    July 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm

  8. @ chhaya"Freedom means being able to try" this is a good one but there is a flaw.what will one try? you have got a talent for writing you will try to get published..if some one has talent to sing he will try to become a singer, same ways actor singer painter..ambani became rich because of his business accumen – an inborn talent.we always try to do things what we are talented at, as we dont choose our talent.. it wont be called a free-choice, our pursuit of a particular interest has been endowed by nature and not by choice…so there is no freedom in trying, we try what we are supposed to..

    Uncommon Sense

    July 2, 2009 at 6:49 pm

  9. @ crazy agree with you, there wont be any end to this discussion where in both the sides can agree to a single thought.But this post is just about the freedom, the identity that we call our self, are just an illusion..as they say SAB MAYA HAI, MAYA AGREES BUT CHHAYA DISAGREES

    Uncommon Sense

    July 2, 2009 at 6:56 pm

  10. Thank you for sharing interesting thoughts. As I understand you are discussing about Absolute freedom and I fully agree that there is nothing like Absolute freedom in this world. Every thing, material or energy, humans or animals, live or dead each and every object, thoughts, concepts etc is interdependent and interlinked with others. There is nothing like anything that is stand alone and free from any sorts of limitations.However, Absolute freedom does exsist. To experience it one needs to reach a certain frame of mind. Do think about it. Best regards.

    Zero

    July 2, 2009 at 9:15 pm

  11. eheheh ,,,yes zero.. absolutely right i think…. your last line "However, Absolute freedom does exsist. To experience it one needs to reach a certain frame of mind."

    CrAzYy..! ;)

    July 3, 2009 at 11:42 am

  12. matlab ghum phir ke wahin ke wahin, JAHAN PE ATKE THE :p

    CrAzYy..! ;)

    July 3, 2009 at 11:42 am

  13. @zero agree with you yes absolute freedom is possible, if you get completely insane.. only a insane person is free@crazylol right, yeh duniya badi gool.

    Uncommon Sense

    July 3, 2009 at 12:18 pm

  14. Wow your thoughts has been well written. Circumstances sometimes lead us to do things which we don't like. But terrorism and crime is extreme condition which if any one adopts then has to face the music of punishment as well.

    Its my life

    July 3, 2009 at 6:29 pm

  15. A life of choice is not what we live for, but what we can achieve out of the limitations we have. I don't disagree that some people are slaves of circumstances, but then if we had believed in destiny, then we wouldn't have had words like challenge, effort and achievements.

    IdleMind

    July 3, 2009 at 6:39 pm

  16. @ Crazy and Uncommon senseThank you for your comments. Jokes apart, Absolute freedom does exist and one need not be an insane to be free.If you have observed, a small baby, than a kid, a toddler, child, youth and adult are the steps of freedom in human being. As a baby grows into adult hood, his/her circle of freedom both physical and intellectual increases depending upon his learning, physical and psychological ability and of course confidence of his parents and society in him/her.However these are reflections on limited freedom which more or less everybody achieves in his/her life time. Absolute freedom is something unique. For achieving absolute freedom, one needs to achieve a different kind of knowledge, physical and psychological attributes. Very few humans understand absolute freedom and an insignificant number of people actually achieve it.Hope this discussion is in the right spirit. Do think about it. Best regards.

    Zero

    July 3, 2009 at 10:15 pm

  17. @ its my lifeterrorism was just used as an example@idle mindchallenge, efforts and acheivements are nothing, to a lazy person it wouldnt matter.. its just in the nature of people to be hard working@Zero i would still belive that absolute freedom is impossible,, those who claim to have achieved it are just fooling themselves..thou i belive a state of mind can be achieved where we nomore care for the world around us, we just let the life flow, we just see life as just a movie unfolding before us even at that stage cirumstances and surrounding does affect us, but still that wouldnt count as absolute freedom..

    Uncommon Sense

    July 4, 2009 at 6:32 pm

  18. i agree completely that we dont have much choices ..everything right from our sex , sexuality , appearence , religion , parents is not in our control … what we are was our fate , what we become is in our hands !!!interesting blog !!!

    vicious

    July 4, 2009 at 11:55 pm

  19. @ Uncommon sense: Thank you for your interesting reply. Yes, you need not believe it. As I had earlier said,Very few humans understand absolute freedom and an insignificant number of people actually achieve it. Those who really achieve it do not claim it because they are absolutely free, and do not need anything including recognition, and those who claim are actually not absolutely free. Anyway, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Best regards.

    Zero

    July 5, 2009 at 11:23 am

  20. Lastly I am able to reach here :)Who are we?? :)You talking about your case or generalizing things?Continued from last post, you said nature's way of teaching a lesson to humans, isn't being a gay is free-will ka example??Otherwise "guda~maithun" leads to biological problems, health problems, by knowing they are opting for it, so isn't it a free will??

    Tarun Goel

    July 6, 2009 at 3:18 pm

  21. ZERO is perfectly alriteBut i can't access his/her profile???

    Tarun Goel

    July 6, 2009 at 4:36 pm

  22. thoda bahut generalisation is always required, else i cant write a single thing here..being gay has nothing to do with free-will.nobody chooses to be a gay, you are just gay as you are a male or female. they are not option for being gay, its not a choice, its a biological compulsion, you cant one moring wake up and say i want to be gay,, there is just no choice involved here..

    Uncommon Sense

    July 6, 2009 at 6:28 pm

  23. @ zero"Those who really achieve it do not claim it because they are absolutely free, and do not need anything including recognition,"if nobody claims themselves to be free, then how do we know they are completely free@vicious thanks for dropping by, certainly what we are is not by choice, but what we become are on the basis of what we are..

    Uncommon Sense

    July 6, 2009 at 6:37 pm

  24. ahahaha, as if you know it all :)So you accept that you are generalizing that people can't be absolutely free.Nature's way is straight sex, not anal sex dude, biological, gay~ism, lesbian~ism is all choice, and you are not born gay, circumstances turn you into a gay, lesbian.Never mind, it hardly matters to me whether people are penetrating the vagina's or asses so lets be happy 🙂

    Tarun Goel

    July 6, 2009 at 7:59 pm

  25. "circumstances turn you into a gay, lesbian."now you said it.. "circumstances" that itself proves that there is no choice.. its not always the cirucmstances, most of the people are born gay, like chakkas are born,, some men are born impotent,, and some are born gay,, even in nature there is no perfection…

    Uncommon Sense

    July 6, 2009 at 9:18 pm

  26. @ Uncommon sense: Thank you for the interesting question, well only an absolutely free entity can recognise another absolutely free entity, for ordinary people like us the quest continues :), Best regards.

    Zero

    July 7, 2009 at 7:54 am

  27. It depends on what perspective you are looking at.I would still like to believe that we DO have free will. Because, you see, even after knowing the functioning of your brain with regards to it you know that actually there is no free will and that every decision you make is pre-formed based on your genes and neurological pattern, you CAN NOT help but exercise what is free will. For example, if now I tell you I am going to bring you two shirts, red and blue, can you be sure in your mind which one are you going to take? Maybe you like "blue" color and you think you will pick the blue one, but what if when you actually see both shirts you see that red is much more elegant in design. You see, you might find anything at any moment that may change your mind in favor of one thing and against the other. Even if we have understood that "free will is not free will", how did it help? You make a hundred decisions everyday. Are you making better decisions after knowing that "free will is not free will"?? No. Because that can't be. And how can you say that you are not taking decisions out of "free will"? By free will we mean that the decision taken is "yours". Even going by "no free will" conviction, the decision is yours only. Is it not then nothing else but free will? The point I want to explain is this: This is the thing which even after knowing its underlying truth, you can't be free of. You have no control over it to modify it a bit. You can either walk the path "A", or walk the path "B", as long as you walk. If you are "disillusioned" of something then you stop walking that path (say, path "A") and start walking another path (say, path "B"). But here there's no path "B". You still go on using your free will, that is, taking decisions at spur of the moment, your decision being subject to change at any moment. Are you ever going to be able to see your genetic and neurological patterns, and looking at all that tell what is going to be the course of all your decisions? No. You ARE, and WILL use free will when it comes to deciding something.

    Darshan Chande

    August 4, 2010 at 8:43 pm


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