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We all have been given some rights, and i think the right to freedom of speech is essentially the most important one, because that gives me the right to write shit here. It gives the right to express no matter whatever shitty thoughts i might have. But that freedom is just name sake, i dont actually have a right to say that advani is a madarchod cunning old man or neither do i have a right to say that barkha dutt is a attention seeking rand. On top of that i dont have a right to say that prophet mohammed (may shit be upon him) was a nymphomanic and paedophile who had sex with 10 year old girls. There is a terms of service that i agreed to while signing up with blogger account which prohibits me from using content that might hurt religious sentiments.

Whats the big deal about religious sentiments, why should people get angry when i say ram ki maa ka lund or when i say Marry was a prostitute and she had no real idea who jesus’s real father was. why do we have to give so much importance to religious sentiments. Arent we supposed to nurture religious tolerance. How can we have religious tolerance if the muslims are up ready to bomb the world at the drop of a hat. And those right wing hindu madarchods who dont know a shit about hinduism mobilise army of duffers for their personal agenda. And what about the marathi madarchod manoos raj thackerey denying the fundamental right of freedom to move anywhere in the country. Why dont we fucking act upon them.

Why does this indian english media always has to keep the job of uchking the ghittas of muslims as if gandhi had given his job to them after he died. Why the word M is used for muslim, does it means Madarchod or what?.

What is all this leading too, this is all leading to restriction on freedom of speech. There had been instances in the past when barkha lodi filed a case against a blogger for spoiling her name, and there had been a time when the muslims attacked the office of statesman for publishing a article which said some facts about mohammed (may shit be upon him), and more recently hand of a profession in kerala was chopped off because there was a question in the examination paper which reportedly hurted religious sentiments. All this injustice is happening because we have stopped exercising our right to free speech. How many blogs will they shut down if everyone starts hurting religious sentiments. How many throats will they cut if everyone gets on to street shouting mohammed is madarchod.

The problem will become graver. Word M will disappear too like the word Muslim. It would be impossible to have discussion on religions, Whats wrong with burning kuran when they could burn satanic verses. Why taslima nasreen cant live in India, why great painter like M F hussain ( i seriously forgot the name. checked the paper i remembered his name was in papers today i think i am getting that disease.. again cant remember.. now i m begining to worry) have to stay out of the country, whats wrong in the depecition of bharat mata in his painting. why a fine arts student chandra mohan was beaten and painting burned, why was the dean of the faculty shivaji panicker suspended. Why cant religion be expressed throught painting, why cant it be discussed. Why those danish cartoonists cant depecit a caricature of mohammed.

I think we bloggers have a responsibility, and the first step begins with hurting religious sentiments, and if we dont do that now and we would never be able to do it in future. You worry about losing readership, do u think people wont follow your blog. You are wrong, there are still people in this world who appreciate truth, who know things really dont matter.  The world is becoming a more restrictive instead of opening up. This is no fucking china or middle east, we do have a namesake democracy for hells sake.

One of the blogger from middle east has been jailed and his blog has been shut down. Check out the link to know how you can help  http://freeabdulemam.wordpress.com/

P.S. Do recommend some good blogs to follow. 90% of the blogs that i used to follow is dead. This twitter is killing bloggers

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Written by maya

September 21, 2010 at 1:05 pm

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  1. Uncommon Sense returns. Good one. I remember the last time I read something like this on your blog was when your wrote a small "untitled" post about Christianity with a "fail" picture. That brings to mind, btw, of late, based on the new knowledge I have acquired, I believe Jesus didn't exist at all. 🙂

    Darshan Chande

    September 21, 2010 at 9:13 pm

  2. seriously yaar people arent writing anymore !!! friend's park is dead !!your post is giving birth to so many thoughts and conclusions that i dont know what 2 write and what not ..just keep writing!!

    vicious

    September 21, 2010 at 11:12 pm

  3. http://www.butkintuparantu.com/i guess u will like this ..i too have read just 1 post !

    vicious

    September 21, 2010 at 11:12 pm

  4. Awesome post yaar! Yes, this new twitter fad is killing blogs…mujhe to chutiyapa hi lagta hai twitter….guess people r fearful of their lives, that's why they don't want to hurt religious setiments

    abhishek

    September 21, 2010 at 11:52 pm

  5. See a lot of anger there.Religious sentiments has nothing to do with freedom of speech but yes has a lot to do with politics who kind of acts as saviours of religion.In reality freedom of speech does not exist, its like if you dare to speak the truth that no one wants to hear, there will be hell waiting but when its time for the truth to be out, there is no holding it back.

    The Survivor

    September 22, 2010 at 12:04 am

  6. @darshan.. what the main reason backing that claim@vici.. yeh will keep writing and will check tht blog out@abhishek.. yeh twitter is full of shit, i simply dont understand why it work for ppl.. and i spend most of the time figuring tht out@survivor..very true

    Uncommon Sense

    September 22, 2010 at 2:34 pm

  7. :O …after reading the whole thing that was my expression…blasphemy to the core..but again u have the right to say whatever..so u said..but I think u wont even care to what people comment so.. I dont want to write anymore.. but do reply to this..if u care to 'listen'

    Unknown!!!

    September 22, 2010 at 7:38 pm

  8. @unknown.. thts wht the general impression ppl have after reading my blog that i dont care for comments..But like everyone else i do care, I m a listener first then a talker. So do share your views, wud like to listen from u

    Uncommon Sense

    September 23, 2010 at 3:32 pm

  9. i tried to post my comment..bloody blogger says it was too long so will post it in parts

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 5:54 pm

  10. Hi man..thanks for the follow and replying to my comment…I have to genuinely appreciate your style of writing..you dont really restrict your words/expressions [which is very common among people..owing to social stigma]..while writing..and at times some of the posts do have expletives..well an intelligent person would never go mad over that.. now coming to the context of the post..I would like put it forward with a scenario.

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 5:54 pm

  11. ScenarioTheres a kid a who loves his mother a lot..he respects her…and treats her as his only GOD..aand then theres an adult..a matured person..who is very independent in thoughts..and who doesnt subscribes to any of the philosophies of religion,humanity whatsoever..he feels he is a product of his parents sexual desire..and so no big deal about it..and this man really dont cares about relation be it mother or any other lady..its the same..(ok he subscribes to that school of thought..and he believes and preaches the same..so as per rights..no one should question that.. fair enough)Now this independant adult wants to spread his opinions to others also…so he goes to the kid and tells him..that mother is no different from any lady..u can ask her to bed with u also..if u like her a lot u can request her to marry also( simplly in those familiar words of urs..go fuck her)..now just think wat goes on with the kid..the one who revered his mother something like GOD..

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 5:55 pm

  12. now dont u think there should be some thick wall between freedom of speech and hurting others sentiments..now as per law the adult dint molest the kid..not even touched him. He would have handed him a piece of paper with some written text and nude photo of kid's mom..in some compromising position..still it is fine right..the adult has not committed a crime as per law.So what are we trying to prove when we say our right to express is being severed.. is it a right to hurt someone???Someone might think he is the one ,has understood the sutra of life, attained nirvana..and wants to blow trumphet about it while considering the billions as some kind of dumbset…considering it is also ok…but..shouldnt he care for the sentiments of the billions..not everyone may be of his equal intelligence to understand him..right…some of them dedicate their whole lives in love or passion to their beliefs..may be as per this one ..they are ignorant..so what they are enjoying the bliss…

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 5:55 pm

  13. As per Utilitarianism ethics also..any action which has greater good to greater number of people is considered right…now u may refute me with the deontological ethics…well I really dont want to drag the topic of ethics cos I know it is a beast of its own kind..where no one wins the argument [I did read enough on ethics..sorry if u feel am showing off my knowledge]Now I am not supporting religion..to make it clear..If the whole world was unanimously against the concept of religion, and if I am among the few who believes in a religion..I should not go blowing trumphet..abusing the people who dont believe in GOD..I am not saying I should shut my mouth and sit at home… I should value people..and respect their opinions..but still hold on to my beliefssorry if I hurt ur feelings in anyway..cos it is purely unintentional

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 5:55 pm

  14. @unknown.. hmm u do have a point but it aint strong enuf..Lets take the scenario u gave, well if someone tells me that i can fuck my mother, due to my nature i will doubt that, but if someone tells me tht i cant fuck my mother then i might begin to think of fucking her.. As far as my belief about sex goes, any one can fuck anyone as long as there is a mutual consent..I once did a post about incest on rakshabandhan u might find it an interesting read.Coming to the point. We use curse words everyday. In india bhenchod is almost used as an exclamation mark. So when i say bhenchod to a person it doesnt actually mean that he fucks his sister. Even if i mean to say that it doesnt make it a truth. When i say bhenchod to a friend he doesnt minds it, then why should people mind if i say bhenchod to their god. When the kuran says to slit the throats of all non-muslims, Do we mind? then why should they mind when i say we should slit the throat of all muslims?.If i say allah eats pig shit, does that mean he really eats, I m saying bad things about public figures, celebrities and god. So they might all have followers. I believe every public figure should treat it just as an occupational hazard, its part of their job.. there will always be people who hate them because there are always people who love them.I wont go and tell my friend that his mother is a prostitute but i may say that sonia is a prostitute.. thts bcas she is a public figure and there will be people who love her and hate her. I m just saying i have a right to say because i dont make money out of it, and it doesnt profit me in anyway.. its just the way i write. If you like it then read it, else leave it, i aint posting on anyone's door. One can always choose to not read if he thinks he is getting hurt. If you put hand into the fire you will get burn so simply dont put ur hand in it.. its simple.No a comment wont hurt my sentiment, a debate is always good.

    Uncommon Sense

    September 23, 2010 at 6:56 pm

  15. ok that was quick..:)..i will take an example from ur comment itself..u said kuran says slit the throat of all non-muslims…now I really wonder if the verses meant the same…cos its all again interpretations..[I'vent read Kuran]..but I know about this one point in Kuran which says.. "Kill all jews".. now the so called terrorists..might take it as a callin from GOD.. but the context of the point has different meaning..it was the time when crusades happened.. ppl were fighting in the name of religion and GOD..Mohamed has written that the jews have surrounded you muslims..so if you dont kill them they would kill you.. now following that was the "kill all jews" comes..now people interpret it differently..about the writing on anyone's door..am not tellin u did..yes u have ur own right to write whatever u want..but that should not create communal disharmony

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 8:04 pm

  16. The reason I took the scenario of mother n son is not to prove that incest is bad or anything about sex [the essence of the point was not in that direction]..I believed that the bonding of son n mother would be a perfect analogy to what bonding some people have towards religion/GOD.. now who has the right to hurt their feelings… now in this age of internet, web2.0, even If I write something on my blog page is as good as writing on someone's face. Ok why dont u write it in ur personal diary and keep it in ur cupboard..why write a blog post over it..well I am not challenging u to stop..I am throwin an argument to ur point that u are not posting on someone's door

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 8:05 pm

  17. u r right on the point that if I say something then does that really mean the words… if that is the case then why wasting energy and time on saying those words..which do no good anyone..we should understand not everyone will think like u n me.. people have differnt levels of understanding, maturity, intellect..and that varies at different levels of ages also..our parents might perceive things differently unlike us.. now when we speak something..we should keep that also in mind..really appreciate that u dont take things personally and always welcome for a debateI believe I'd have a better conversation face 2 face with u :)cos I am not that good with words..

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm

  18. wondering why am not able to post a long comment :O

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm

  19. when quran was written crusades was there so mohammed wrote to kill jews.. today jihad is on so i write kill muslims.. is that a justification enuf.Do you think there is creativity involved in the process of writing a blog. I think there is a lot of creativity that goes into it, and the use of abusive language, and discriminatory content is what i use as a differentiator from rest of the blogs. The uncensored thought process is the usp here, so if i dont make derogatory statements then the blog is pretty much dead. I think writing a blog is no different from painting a picture or writing a book. And i belive it to be a work of art. And i think there shouldnt be any censor on art, a work of art shouldnt hurt anyone's sentiment. And since a artist would like his work to be shown to the world, so do i want thts the reason i dont want to write in a personal diary.As i said, if people have problem with the blog, then dont read it, u r saying as if its a compulsory thing. and what significane does my writing really have. If i m a famous writer and if i write such thing then its another matter. You really think this blog will create communal disharmony. Have been to any of those india pakistan online forums.. a lot of shit is written there about each others religion.. its just fun and most people know that.. If they want to defend they can speak and tell whatever problem they have, if they can come up with a good enuf reason, i m ready to remove the content..Afterall thts why blogs have comment section.The first thing is that people shouldnt have any such bondings with religions. If they have its their fault not mine. I do have every right to critisize whatever shit i dont like. I have views that i need to share. If we keep avoiding talking against religion then they would never reach that level of understand, by not talking against particular religions we are just making them more arrogant.. Religion since its origin have always used force to stop voices against it, and when we avoid talking about it, we are just nurturing those forces..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 23, 2010 at 8:33 pm

  20. well it does shows a post too long error to me as well but eventually its getting published..i m a total introvert, so face to face argument wont work on my side.. unless i have know u for a really long time..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 23, 2010 at 8:38 pm

  21. well should appreciate that argument(1st point)..bang on target..but in that context..someone is killin ur children n women..kill them before he does..(I dont think it is any wrong..if it was crusade or jihad)..now u call it a mistake or not ..here the usage of word jew by Mohammed who generalised it at that time cos..then greater number of jews did..but in the current situation usage of muslims on jihad is wrong becos we know not all muslims are terrorists..most of the terrorists are muslims and their number is smaller than the good number of muslim pop…so if u say muslims it is WRONG!hey..all of my comments is not just meant to u..when I said that I was considering the Danish cartoonist..the Adbul Emam..everyone who stirred the controversy..I know ur blog wouldnt lead to any communal disharmony..and also about the hate messages..forget forums..any youtube video comments are enough.People have bonding with everything..relationships, religion, even non living things like bikes,blogs. Of all religion is something which has greater number of people. Now you may be thickskinned and nothing hurts u..but that doesnt mean u will take a spike and keep poking on others till they bleed..I never criticized ur usage of words..I did appreciate it in my comments as well as in ur shout box..so u dont have to justify that part…I dont have any problem with ur blog..I'm following u..will blogroll and will haunt u from now for every new post :Dabt face2face ..its ok buddy..i just said so u understand that I cant express as good as u can by using words

    Unknown!!!

    September 23, 2010 at 9:49 pm

  22. Muslims have a history of attacking other countries and people.. so we will have to belive tht most muslims are violent.. even gandhi said in the end that muslims by nature are a bully. I know not all muslims are bad, but a significantly large number are harami people.. its just their nature.. I have done numerous posts on that so wont repeat it..Its not right to allow people to take benefits in the name of religion. Why india has two separate laws for muslims and non muslims. As per their religion stoning a women to death incase of infidelity is right, so should we allow that, should we make it compulsory for all women to wear burkha. Or should we allow beating of couples on valentines days, because its against indian culture. Should we allow polygamous relationship, or should we allow older guys marrying teens.Should we allow paintings, books and flags to be burnt. The point is that if you allow one thing its validates the other things. The church, the muslim imams are behind lot of shits, so should we allow that just because it comes under religious territory. Should we have allowed discrimination on the basis of caste, because it has been part of hindu traditions for thousands of years. Unless we are outspoken against them nothing will change. If not for the efforts of people like ambedkar who spoke against the religious tradition the lower caste people would have still lived like worms.Well i have read your comments at my other posts, and i know u r a right person who can appreciate gd content, i wouldnt hv argued with u in first place, but i hv to defend my post.. I always say i have the best followers in the blog world, because they can digest any type of content. And that is wht matters.

    Uncommon Sense

    September 23, 2010 at 10:29 pm

  23. well i dont consider gandhi as a prophet so..will not buy that point of his..we never felt a need to attack cos we had everything here[or we were stupid enough to think ourselves self sufficient]..and they mostly came from deserts..attribute it to their civilization and not religion… the hindu religion came into existence from Indus valley civilization..its not that hindus came first and then the civilizationand its nice to know that u believe that not all muslims are bad..now why do u think they are not bad [do u mean they read Gita or Bible instead?]These good number of good muslims have had some beliefs[be it superstitions, or meaningless for us] which they have been with from their childhood and they enjoy to live like that and die like that..we shouldnt hurt them right..of those people some dont even speak up but feel really sad [just like the same how our Indian army feels when they stand paralysed as the pak terrorists burn Indian flag in front of them]

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 2:54 am

  24. u asked this point..should we allow books to be burnt..as per ur initial argument we should allow right..it his money..he is buying and he is burning it..i am thinking u r referring to burning of Qu'rans..which is no different from burning paints,flagsnow having no common law…I seriously dont know the history behind how the law has come into place..cos the time of Independence..hindu or muslim both had the equal stakeholdership[i know we outnumbered them]..cos both were citizens..now hinduism is our way of life..so is muslim's islam way of life.. if muslim's law is hurting u directly then u shld ask..or if u r jealous that they can have multiple wives..convert..now thats their way of living if u like go convert urself none stops..now u cant ask for the cake and have it also..I know I will be sounding like one of the most idiots in the world but..what am saying is religion was invented by man to have a common belonging.. now that is animal instinct..right from stone age..man always craved for being a part of society..it could be for security,prestige watever it is…now things have evolved from then…so the religions etc..

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 2:54 am

  25. coming to muslim's polygamy ..women there could happily divorce and marry someone else..which in Hinduism was considered like some grave crime [oflate things have changed thanks to globalization]now to the point of caste based hierarchy ..u r right..it is definitely out of place now..it worked perfectly centuries back..now it makes no sense at all..its pure meritocracy which is going on..a greater number of people is against this ..but due to political benefits things are not moving..if we have to fight on it..we have to hit it at the root levels…and I agree this is no different with the stoning of women,polygamy in Islam..but arent they changing..I've a good number of muslim friends..who are happily married with one wife and dont even think about such things..in fact they are very much aggressive against the bad practices..From the first point I guess you believe in Gandhi..but you talk like Bhagat Singh[ just an analogy..I dont know if Bhagat's vocabulary included all ur swearsaurus..pls I meant in a lighter note 😛 ]

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 2:55 am

  26. well its funny that u dont consider gandhi a prophet, well nobody is a prophet.. those who talk shit are called prophet.. I mentioned gandhi because gandhi was pro-muslim.. his whole life he took sides of muslims..So you say, u are happy with stoning people to death, or treating women like slaves, u totally seem to be a supporter of taliban type of governance.. well not that i have any issues.. but thts just full of shit.. the only purpose of religion is to control people. Ok we can agree historically they had desert background due to scarcity and all they might be attacking.. But what about todays scenario, leaving turkey aside every country is facing problems of the muslims, why is that. Because their religion is all shit, and people like u are encouraging it to remain like shit, christinaity is becoming flexible because ppl didnt take it seriously but that aint going to happen with islam. Becaues people those imamas want power to be in their hand, they want to keep the barbaric laws alive and people like u are the support for them..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 24, 2010 at 12:30 pm

  27. When people are doing shit one is supposed to tell them that they are doing shit, we shouldnt say "wow your shit is great" you are preserving ur tradition. There is a limit to the shit that can be taken in the name of religion, and there will be people who are against that. and i m one of them. The world wont change if you dont oppose, if u keep ignore their shit, their shit will grow more.You dont need religion to dictate morals to you, you know stoning someone to death is wrong, yet you are supporting them saying its their religion, and we should respect that and enjoy it.. bullshit.A god muslim is the one who wont mind if i make jokes on prophet. who doesnt feel ofended if i burn a quran. A good muslim is the one who doesnt takes the shit written in quran but just treats it a shit narrated by a paedophile which was speard forcefully world wide. Forcefull conversion has been a way of things with islam from the very begining, a good muslim is a atheist muslim which ofcourse is rare.Just because they enjoy stoning their women doesnt mean it should be allowed. All the laws of islam has been made for the benefit of men and to keep women as slaves. Even manu smruti talks about keeping women as slaves, so u think we should do that because its part of a religion.I m not talking about indian flags being burnt by pakistanis i m talking about the indian flags burnt in india by muslims.. You might not have seen that but i have seen it.. during indo pak matches i have seen them supporting pakistan, during the 2002 gujarat riots i have seen them hosting pakistan flags in front of their houses. I have seen them talking shit about india.. muslims dont have patriotism or anything they just have their shitty religion, and no other feeling is above tht..I m not talking about quran being burnt, i m talking about satanic verses..why its banned in India?, why someones view should be banned..when quran is not banned then why should satanic verses be banned. india has always been lenient towards muslims, and that have instigated them further..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 24, 2010 at 12:30 pm

  28. Things are changing because people are against them, if we just allow them to continue it will keep on continuing.. As you said let them keep on doing what they are doing,, that attitude will stop changes from happening, changes happen when people stand against that shit.. wether its gay rights, abortion, rights of women, unjustfull caste system everything is improving because there are individuals who fought against it, it didnt happen automaticaly and it will never happen on its self because there are people who derive power from this, and people dont leave their power so easily..Gandhi as a person was full of shit, but there are some parts of him that i admire. I hate him for being religious and taking sides of muslim, but i admire for his staunch stand on nonviolence.. There is a reason why i talk in abusive language or talk about sex openly.. its because i need to see people who are tolerant.. who arent really against anything. what i dont like is banning or censor ship, i belive in freedom. thats it. Its just a small effort from my side to inculcate tolerance at every level with the comfort of being anonymous. If i talk about this shit in front of live public i will be dead in an instance.. but here i m trying to find people who have tolerance ,because without it.. there wont be any freedom.

    Uncommon Sense

    September 24, 2010 at 12:31 pm

  29. Oh ma..looking at all the comments here -you really stirred a hornets nest..or as my spouse would love to say sabki g***d ke neechey aag laga dee' hahaa keep it up but hey thora softly..I for one believe in freedom of speech but not abuse of that freedom.And as far as reffering good blogs goes I go blog hunting when comments are left on my blog and thru those blogger ID's I come across many more interesting one–yours for example 🙂

    budh.aaah

    September 24, 2010 at 2:10 pm

  30. I just got up..and first thing i see for the discussion..nice that u have replied…stoning women is something i have seen repeatedly in ur reply….right.its a barabarian act..have to be condemned..so are the moral killings in our hinduism.. none has right to kill….I am not saying islam is perfect nor am supporting those heinous acts.. I am just saying for that change to happen u cant go on abuse the religion…cos..all those rules have been put in place for some reason…there is method in the madness… but people misinterpret and use it for their benefits.. now the imams,priests and babas, godmans..all corrupt ones..they only crave for power in the name of GOD..but the religion has been from centuries back..it is these guys who are doing those acts.. abuse them or kill them..am not saying anythign against that.. but not religion.I did talk about this particular stoning women issue with hardcore muslims..Qu'ran has punishments for various crimes..and stoning to death is the highest one issued.. to women and it is given for women who have illicit relationship…now thats forbidden…as a protocol of being in the islamic society.. now a reason why a women participates in illicit reln..is probably the husband is not satisfyin her needs..but for that religion has given her the freedom to divorce a man anytime..and can marry someone else..the rule says..at one point of time u shld serve only ur husband..now this rule is not there in hinduism..where divorce is only a recent phenomena..

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 5:59 pm

  31. Changes have happened.. we have also had bad practices like sati,child marriages in our religion which might have seemed logical the point of time they came in place..now they are no more..now for the process of change.. like Raja Rammohan roy, Kandukuri Veeresalingam..they dint spread hate messages..abusing hinduism..[now i know it is ur style of writing..u I dont mean uncommon sense..i am referring to everyone who have stirred controversies] but when we speak..we have to know that the crowd listening to us comes from wider spectrum…one may have his own way of communicating..but if whatever is being communicated is not reaching the right people..not recepted well..then what is the purpose..or may be it is to rise up to celebrity status instantly or it might help for gettin some limelight for a while..I'm again repeating this..u can choose ur own style of writing.becos..ppl who subscribe to ur ideas..follow u and they dont have any problem with it..cos they understand the underlying meaning of what u r conveying…but when a person gets a bigger platform..he should understand everyone listening to him..as they say with greater power comes greater responsibility..

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 5:59 pm

  32. dear if i have been on a platform that has wider reach, where i could be indentified then i wouldnt say any such shit.. not because i might hurt religious sentiments of people but because they will beat the shit out of me.. if people cud cut the hands of a professor just because he mentioned the name of mohammed then just imagine what all things they would cut out of me. anybody with a bit of common sense wont say such a thing..I will express myself but it will be heavility moderated, i cant die over a stupid thing..but as u see here i m anonymous. Even if someone takes an legal action against me, i can just edit the content, i have thought about the implications. And i have never got into any argument with a beliver yet, out of all the instances it was alway a non religious person who tried to defend religion..You should care about your sentiments why u need to worry about what other people feel..Now dont give reasons justifying the quaran or bible or most of hindu religious literature..everyone with commonsense knows its all utter shit..bomb the world and say "islam is a religion of peace" we bomb but somewhere in kuran its written that islam is a peaceful religion so our bombing doesnt hamper peace.I m not trying to send a message or anything,,i just write the shit i feel.. i add some gaalis, remove all kind of censorship.. its just the style of writing..What makes you think i can reach celbrity status by writing all this, i actually loose readership because of this. If i use a more mainstream language and content.. i would have a better following.. But the point is not to increase followership of just any kind of people.. point is to have very broadminded readers..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 24, 2010 at 6:46 pm

  33. @budhaa.. people should just grow up so that they dont get abused, that what i think..Moreover i m not any scholar or anything in any subject.. so there is no point in taking me seriously.. my saying something aint gonna become a fact..If people dont like to belive what i say, then dont belive me..and thanks for the comment

    Uncommon Sense

    September 24, 2010 at 6:50 pm

  34. fair enough!..before I give u an impression that I am the most jobless person..trying to bug u..I'd like to say that..I am always open to discussions..and always want to learn from others.and I see u have a totaly different perspective on things..==Coming to ur first point..u said u fear to people so u dont want to say something like that on a wider platform[where ppl like MF Hus,Danish cartoonist etc did]…. even I fear to police so thats y I dont take a knife and go on killing people whover I see..or rob anyone I like.(I love those killing games like GTA where u can kill anyone and rob a car..gives so much thrill see)… do u see some analogy in that? is there nothing called morality, humanity,???right from the start i've been saying..am not arguing u or ur style..I am saying about those[subjects in ur blog post] ppl who have got the wider reach…so nice to know that u have some backup plans..but I wish u dont get a need to do that..

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 9:30 pm

  35. if we have to care only about our sentiments..so we should not really care about those women being stoned..cos they r not stoning us right.. and the best thing is we shldnt live in this society only…can live in forest…eat whatevr…live however..forget blogging..live a free bird life.. but that doesnt happen right..we want some benefits from the society..which has evolved through centuries… the technologies..the social security..list goes on…so if we are in a society we have to care for how others feel,..am not justifying any literature..i said.. those bad things are incongruous for the current times… they wld have made sense when they were in its inception level..but now things have changed cos of development all around..and people from different schools of thoughts.. so much study done on socialism,philosophy,anthropology..changed ..so we should change.. celebrity status…again in ur last point ur taking it personally..i said to those people who want to stir controversy ..may be one of the motives is that…

    Unknown!!!

    September 24, 2010 at 9:30 pm

  36. wht they did was not that much of a blasphemy tht i m doing.. for instance you see the mf hussain paint that is posted above.. personally speaking i dont see a bit of thing wrong in that, if i were him i would have thought that it would get passed without any problem..Neither was the danish cartoon offensive nor is satanic verses offensive.. But what i m writing is something beyond those small things..These kind of things nobody would publish in mainstream, nor would anybody share through email or social media. So it wont ever get the mass to create a actual stir. so i basically know i m playing to a limited audience..the maximum i can speak on a public forum and yet have a severed limb would be that mohammed was a liar or ramayan is just a story, and all god are mythical.. anything more than that wont create controversy it will just be end of me..You cant play with religion in the open but only in small circles with the ppl who know.Well thats exactly what you are saying.. you are saying that let them stone her because its their religion. Whereas i m saying its not right to stone her because its written in the book. I have no business in what she feels while being stoned or what you feel while she is stoned because i dont feel anything while she is stoned.. the only thing i feel is that she is being stoned because of that book..Mohammed has all the rights to dicatate that book, and that book has all right to exist.. but then isnt there any right for a book to exists that is against that book (quran). There is a right because you cant just say your side of feeling, i 2 have 2 share my side ..( i may use abusive language but its just my style) what i mean is that i m just against that shit..If i care for what others feel then they should care for what i feel.. i feel that their book is full of shit and it hurts my feeling big time..so better that book be banned because it hurts my sentiments or an hindus sentiment because they say allah is the only god but the hindu belives theirs is the only god, so since there is a conflict here and since we are not allowed to debate on religion, so let kuran be banned or hindu texts be banned.. as tht has been the case with everything that has been against religion.The church said beat the shit out of galileo and darwan because they hurt our sentiment. The earth cant revolve around the sun and nor can there be any evolution because its not written that way in bible..So you would say we should all believe that sun goes round the earth because it might else hurt their sentiments.Those bad things were good things once upon a time but today they are not good things so what do we do with the bad things, we stop doing it, but what if some people with vested interests want those bad things to continue.. do we support them or oppose them..Every thing has changed always, but the religion has been slowest to change.. why because we are not allowed to question that.. unless we question how can change happen for good..I m not here to change the world nor here to fight for it.. i m just saying i have the right to speak up..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 24, 2010 at 9:58 pm

  37. see its not about what u think… if MF wants to paint smoething and publish everywhere ..he got to keep in mind how people would react also.. he might want to cash in the controversy[sometimes i think about these celebrities]…if that is not his intention then let him keep the painting in his drawing room or toiletssee..it might not seem offensive to u..but for others it does..if for someone eating shit is not offensive doesnt mean it should be for everyone right..boss..i seriously dont understand why time and again..u talk abut what u write..the only 100 ppl who follow u might only bother to read..no one else does..so dont say again n again about u creating some controversy..thats a far fetched idea….see the world needs some framework to keep things in equiilibrium…and yes Mohammed has kept some rules in his book for the muslim fraternity..to keep things in tandem..but again there is no situation like a deadlock..every rule has a work around..u r talkin abt the women being stoned..now the rule says..if someone participates in illegal relation.the lady has to be stoned…. the religion clearly permits her to divorce[as a work around]..now the rule in place is for those who want to have the cake and eat it also..the religion doesnt say stone every girl.. now whoever the particular girl u r referring to being stoned is a victim of those selfish and malicious people..who misintrepret the rule to their advantage..so u have to blame those people not religion…

    Unknown!!!

    September 25, 2010 at 10:58 pm

  38. now I will give another analogy to this..we have death sentence rule for people who commit heinous,cold blooded crimes…now there may be some innocent man who is framed up and hanged till death.. now according to u.. I should abuse and the mistake the person who wrote the rule..whereas the mistake is with the person who framed him up..yes they do care about u..who is coming and poking u..who is abusing a religion? who is hurting whom?..if their book hurts u dont read it..who is asking u to bind by that book?first of all have u read the book?They call GOD as ALLAH..thats in Arabic..then why call GOD as "GOD".. they believe in one GOD..and they call it ALLAH.. why should Kuran be banned and why should Hindu texts be banned..then ban all text books.. ban all science..ban all maths..let us go back to stone age and be uncivilised… if u know something.. religion has been there for ages..

    Unknown!!!

    September 25, 2010 at 10:59 pm

  39. the most important thing ..more than ur science,maths,physics whatever..is managing people..maintain law and order..and that has it roots from religion..where it talks about way of life people should live..if the rules were not in place at that time they were in..I dont think we would have been in this situation..enjoying the technology..writing all that whatever we want to write in blog and claim it to be freedom….howmuch ever intelligent u r.. be grateful to ur parents..cos if they had put in some mechanic shop instead of sending to school u wouldnt have been here…in the same way..whatevr we are we should be grateful to our ancestors..aging back to centuries old…who were much more intelligent than u and me..and have put things in place..comign to opposing peopple who take advantage of rules.. yes I have been singing that song right from start…may be u havent understood when I said..it is not the texts we have to mistake..it is teh people who misinterpret..and take advantage..so if u can find someone..abuse him and kick him..the same text has to be interpreted differently as time goes on… a simple example.. when the book was written no one knew if earth rotates on its own so we have day and night..so they say that sun goes into ocean in the evening and comes back in the morning…

    Unknown!!!

    September 25, 2010 at 10:59 pm

  40. now because the book says so..will we interpret the same way..now times have changed..we have satellites which tell the truth..so now we should intepret with the new knowledge..so the same way every other thing has to be interpreted..not literally on whats written…we should show some respect to books which have kept the world in equilibrium,tandem for centuries..If galileo was killed it was a time when things were handled by selecetd few(who had vested interests)..now do u think if u prove something scientifically in the current times will it not be accepted..dont take that situation as example and say things are same like then..yes u have the right to speak..in ur blog..write whatever..but I am saying people who have greater power and have wider horizon..have no right to hurt

    Unknown!!!

    September 25, 2010 at 11:00 pm

  41. humans have not reach that stage

    sm

    September 26, 2010 at 1:33 am

  42. Regarding MF hussain, the highcourt has ruled that his painting is ok.. so we go by that rather than some vhp rss activist who raked up the issue and 1000's of people opposed without even seeing the picture.. the people who oppose generally have not seen the thing they are seeing, neither have they seen the cartoon, nor have they read the satanic verses nor have they seen the mf hussain painting.. now mf is a artist of great stature and some duffer layman cant say shit about art.. when you dont know about some thing its better to keep quiet..As i said before the purpose of creating an art work is to be appreciated,, no body creates art to keep in his toilet..The rule is being interpreted because people are taking such a primitive shit seriously,, and there are people who have interest in keeping their women as slaves and they are the one who are promoting such stuff.. just yesterday i read an article in sunday times about a muslim girl in kerala who have been receiving threats for not wearing burkha.. She has contacted the police and the womens rights organisations but none were able to help her because "the matter is about religion".. now the highcourt has provided her with 2 police constables for protection.. Now you see its the women like these that are heralding changes by standing against the religious customs forced upon them.. My point is if you belive in religon then belive in it dont ask other to follow that shitty rules.. if you want stone yourself dont go and stone other people.. keep your religion personal dont force the people to follow ancient customs that dont make any sense now.. and dont expect other people to respect your religion.. because if i feel the religion is full of shit then i will say so..Times havent changed,, today also religion holds more sway than anything else in this world.. If you say anything against religion you will be tortoured the same way that galileo was tortured..Regarding the banning of the book you are going against yourself.. i m against banning of anything.. so i said why ban satanic verses.. and i gave a logic if satanic verses have to be banned then quran or bible or manus smruti should be banned because they spread hatred..There is no need to interpret it this way or that way.. there is no point to give a shit about some prehistoric crap..ppl regarding death sentence yes its wrong.. and i m in strong opposition to it..Its a wrong assumption that the world is in order due to religion.. there has been laws always in a society to keep them in order.. Religion throughout history has only created hatred and destruction. No calamity in the history of earth have caused so much of a destruction and looting like religion.. Everyone has a right to speak and those who have a wider reach also have this right.. Of all the instances reported world wide about hurting religious sentiments and the aftershocks of that.. None of the content that hurted ppl actually have any objectionable content.. I find them to be of very fine quality and aesthetic value.. As i said just look at the picture posted on this blog of bharat mata.. just tell me frankly do you find that objectionable.. If you consider that the whole of indian art history had images of women naked, wether the paints in ajanta, or khajurao, or take any temples the gods are represented bare breasted.. and bharat mata is not actually considered a god. Its only after raja ravi verma that gods began to be clothed..So you would say tomorrow bring down ajanta and khajurao because its an insult to the conservative hindu culture?Religion is of no use, and it would have died very early unless the special interest taken by ppl of vested interests to keep it alive.. Your notion that religion has been something that has been useful is totally wrong.. it just brought more anarchy to this world and will continue to bring more..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 27, 2010 at 3:31 pm

  43. One word. Wow. Man, that was refreshing. Will be back for sure. I feel like I released my pent up frustrations through this outburst.

    Kabir X

    September 28, 2010 at 10:21 am

  44. @kabir Your comment rounds up the post especially because your name is kabir.. kabir was everyone knows was a muslim raised by a hindu.. and he rejected both the vedas and kuran.. yet both hindus and muslims have claim them to be their..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm

  45. @sm we think that humans have not reached the stage where we they can reject religion.. but there are lot of people who have grown enuf for that..

    Uncommon Sense

    September 28, 2010 at 1:17 pm

  46. i found d teeny little debate goin on in thro d comments even mre interesting dan d post ..:Preligion is'nt just something that pertains to god….it is anything that someone has a deep rooted passion for..fr sports fanatics ..sports is a religion..just like u feel deeply abt ur opinions nd feel a need to express dem..n defend dem as well..a muslim must b feelin dat way too…hw cn u expect d person to nt challenge ur views wen u r openly challenging his ..dat too wid ample use of expletives!! u cannot expect a "good muslim" to nt b offended if someone questions his principles n be very happy abt it ..i respect someone who shall defend dem much more..atlst he has an opinion n stands by it.. which is more dan cn b sd for a lot f non muslims..n i dnt c hw a blog cn b given a creative touch by using swera words..like u urself sd swear words are d most popular mode f expression these days..everyone uses it fr d bread ..d butter..d traffic..frnds..enemies..fr everyone..wats creative in using dem in blogs den!!?? n i dnt think one needs to swear to lay emphasis on der point.. its goin to b hrd..if its worth bein hrd anyway..bt havin written so much..i guess i shdnt hv bothered..cz its no good tryin to reason wid neone over dese issues..u hv ur opinions i hv mine.. nd even tho i dnt subscribe to ur school of thought ..i do respect dem.. especially cz its kinda refreshing to c someone expressing dem so openly fr a change.. so kudos to u fr dat..:)

    Ananya

    September 29, 2010 at 1:21 pm

  47. nd also u spoke abt wanting to inculcate tolerance in ppl…i think u shd inculcate some in urself as well…being more tolerant to ppl's religious views even though u dnt hv any won't hurt u…nd words in demselves dont mean nothing…as in a sentence dat is nt read by someone is mere letters scribbled across a page..only wen someone reads it ..and interprets it does it come to life..only den it acquires a meaning..(jihad means 'holy war'..der ws a documentary made on homosexuality which ws called jihad for love..n it had nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism) ..so burning the quran doesnt help..its immature to hold a book responsible fr something someoen did after reading it.n if u wanna go burning qurans to 'test' or 'judge' whetehr or nt a guy is a 'good' muslim based on his reaction ..good luck to u ps: m nt muslim..n my dad dsnt work fr d LeT either ..:P ..just in case u r wondering

    Ananya

    September 29, 2010 at 1:37 pm

  48. @ananya.. this post aint just anti muslim, actually all the people for whom i have shown support on this blog viz.. salman rushidie, Mf hussain, the blogger abdul and author taslima nasreen all are muslims.. also in the comment section i mentioned about the muslim girl.. I will always speak about anything that curbs an individuals freedom on expression..Using gaalis in the blog is different, since nobody does it i choose to do it,, its just a differntiator.. it also helps to have the right kind of readership.. i dont have those hi hello, so cute kind of fake comments at this place, because those kind of people dont follow me.. i aint no mainstream blogger..so by your logic i shouldnt speak against sports? because some people are passionate about it.. i belive and support freedom of an individual not a group.. Religion is a group that is against some individuals because they choose to differ.. There is no rule that all muslims should follow some rule and if for some muslim people islam doesnt make sense, then they shouldnt be forced to follow.. If a women chooses to not wear a burkha then she should be allowed to.. just because she is a muslim it doesnt mean she cant wear anything else, let the individual decide..Its not that as if i have blocked the comment section, if anyone has any problem with the content of the post they are free to voice their anger or their views..the nature of this blog is free and anyone is free to comment whatever he/she likes..and thanks for the comment, gd to have u here

    Uncommon Sense

    September 29, 2010 at 5:02 pm

  49. Man that was just awesome…after i finished reading ur blog n went down to comment it i went mad when it took me 3-4 minutes to scroll down n i was amazed to see people commenting as if they r writing a complete blog…i can't write big comments but i agree wid u that cm wht may we should't loose our freedom of speech….in your terms i will say…चोद दो मादरचोदोन को

    Nishit

    October 1, 2010 at 3:29 pm

  50. u said in ur post that barkha is a randi…do u hv reason or just saying to spice up things…i felt bad 'coz i am a gr8 admirer of her…d way she cms up with topics n organize debates is really commendable..remember she covered whole kargil war from the war front…i expect gud enough reasons 2 defend u

    Nishit

    October 1, 2010 at 5:57 pm

  51. I followed the debate intensely rather than the post. The question is still the same – is religion just only abt god and rules?Going by how you think, it makes very little sense to provoke. But I will like to see a world where there is some decency in creation, somewhat in the way the word 'art' is meant to be soft, soothing and smooth. Hard or raw art will definitely be against our softer senses.

    IdleMind

    October 2, 2010 at 9:11 pm

  52. Freedom of speech is considered Holy in the west and most democracices.For Muslims, Their religion is more important than Freedom of speech. Its takes a lot of education and maturity to grow out of one's religious sentiments and give freedom of speech more importance like you have!! God bless you man. http://www.vikramharindran.com

    Vikram Harindran

    October 5, 2010 at 8:56 am

  53. i agree with everything u said, except that hurting religious sentiments can do no good to anyone..let me explain.if someone s to come to my face n talk ill abt my country or parents or watever it is, im sure to put a hole in their skull, coz they are disrespecting something that is MINE..n i find it easy to justify watever i do against him. but if he talks ill abt the religion i was born into, i wont care, i wud certainly join him.. but everyone is not like that, i think most people put their religion in the first category n they in their mind watever they do for THEIR religion is justified n they dont care abt wat others say.. bt other than that i agree with everything u said. n as bloggers we shd try to make the religious difference btwn people vanish awayloved ur blog 🙂

    amalbose

    October 10, 2010 at 1:55 pm


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